tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4706374459042869519.post1352496522730060819..comments2023-10-06T09:08:06.583-06:00Comments on No Gluten, No Problem: I'm deficient, You're deficient, We're all deficient? (Part 2)peterbronskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17048848527195520324noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4706374459042869519.post-61824518274946466602010-04-06T09:45:50.673-06:002010-04-06T09:45:50.673-06:00Hi Mindaugus... No problem!
Cheers, PeteHi Mindaugus... No problem!<br /><br />Cheers, Petepeterbronskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17048848527195520324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4706374459042869519.post-65818837339492597792010-04-04T15:12:45.711-06:002010-04-04T15:12:45.711-06:00Thanks for the info!Thanks for the info!Mindaugashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13279903625931544051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4706374459042869519.post-15936413385690881722009-11-17T13:10:24.643-07:002009-11-17T13:10:24.643-07:00Hi Shirley... Didn't mean to put you on the de...Hi Shirley... Didn't mean to put you on the defensive when it comes to calcium. There are certainly many other related issues to consider, like the relative merits of dairy vs non-dairy sources of calcium, the claims of the dairy industry lobby, and more. I think the most important thing for people (i.e. readers of our blogs) to remember is that in the gluten-free diet, there are a wide variety of good options - both dairy and non-dairy - for dietary sources of calcium. The dietary calcium deficiency identified in the study then, isn't necessarily a result of the GF diet itself. Rather, it's other related factors that are resulting in it.<br /><br />Maybe I'll have to work on a post series about bone density issues in celiac and gluten intolerant folks, which would give me a chance to appropriately address some of the other issues you've so rightly talked about!<br /><br />Cheers, Petepeterbronskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17048848527195520324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4706374459042869519.post-77845129124030473032009-11-14T17:03:42.852-07:002009-11-14T17:03:42.852-07:00Pete--I did mix apples and oranges here and I apol...Pete--I did mix apples and oranges here and I apologize for that. I think the Harvard article really questions whether dairy products are best for us, given other factors. It also mentions the fact that there do not seem to be huge bone density issues in other countries that do not consume dairy (or much dairy). Again, that seems like mixing apples and oranges, but sometimes it's hard to separate "issues." I love the taste of dairy, but I don't believe we need it and I don't think we necessarily benefit from it--what I've read indicates that often it's quite the opposite. But, I don't want to enter into a big discussion. We can all read on our own and make our own decisions. <br /><br />Re: fiber, I'm sure you are correct that a better diet when eating gluten free plays into the fiber numbers. I know I eat far more fiber than I did even when I was on my fiber supplement plan (ugh), and, of course, am much healthier for that. I suspect the folks who are still eating highly processed foods who are still taking the fiber supplements. But, you're probably correct that after that period of time of eating gluten free, the numbers aren't attributable to anything other than diet. It would certainly be nice to see the value of the numbers matched to the specific gluten-free diets ... highly processed to largely fruits and vegetables. <br /><br />Anyway, great discussion. I'll look forward to your thought-provoking posts (as much as the mouth-watering recipe posts) always! :-)<br /><br />Shirleygfe--gluten free easilyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08182613995248482102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4706374459042869519.post-62791518716784797962009-11-11T11:03:38.391-07:002009-11-11T11:03:38.391-07:00Hi Shirley... Thanks for adding your insights. How...Hi Shirley... Thanks for adding your insights. However, I do have to clarify a few points as well as disagree with you in places:<br /><br />Dairy IS a good source of absorbable calcium. I'll quote directly from the sources (Harvard) you provided - "Good sources include dairy products, which have the highest concentration per serving of highly absorbable calcium, and dark leafy greens or dried beans, which have varying amounts of absorbable calcium."<br /><br />Of course, dairy isn't the only source of calcium, and in my list of dietary sources, I include a wide array of non-dairy options which can be and are valuable sources for people who don't consume dairy.<br /><br />It's also true that exercise (especially weight-bearing) is important for bone density. However, that's not a nutritional deficiency issue.<br /><br />Similarly, the information on bone density and inflammation - while certainly pertinent - does not directly relate to nutrient deficiency in the diet. Inflammation's contribution to bone density loss is a separate issue. In addition, numerous studies (including recent studies published last month) have shown a full restoration of bone density once a Celiac is on a gluten-free diet. Dr. Wangen discusses a new Scottish study in which bone density is impacted by an autoimmune response in a small fraction of Celiac patients. But again, that's not a diet nutrient deficiency issue.<br /><br />Calcium malabsorption, on the other hand, relates directly to nutrient deficiency. If dietary intake is already calcium deficient, and you then have malabsorption issues, it compounds the deficiency.<br /><br />Finally, on the fiber point, I don't think you can make the argument that fiber supplements are the cause. Remember that the subjects of the study had been on a GF diet for at least 5 years. Presumably, they would no longer be on fiber supplements aimed at addressing other or undiagnosed GI issues. Their heightened fiber intake is purely a function of diet.<br /><br />Cheers, Petepeterbronskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17048848527195520324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4706374459042869519.post-55908716482545554392009-11-11T10:50:07.004-07:002009-11-11T10:50:07.004-07:00Hi Elizabeth... Thanks for chiming in! Yes, the fr...Hi Elizabeth... Thanks for chiming in! Yes, the fresh fruits and veggies, whole meats, etc. is definitely the way to go!<br /><br />Cheers, Petepeterbronskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17048848527195520324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4706374459042869519.post-15392554575904516142009-11-10T20:10:39.845-07:002009-11-10T20:10:39.845-07:00Pete--I really appreciate it when you do these typ...Pete--I really appreciate it when you do these types of articles. I know how much work must go into them. A couple of points though ... If you look further, you'll find that dairy is really not the best source of calcium for the amount of calcium provided and calcium that's best absorbed. Here are just two links that share that type of info. The Dairy Council would like us to think otherwise, but there are people who don't eat dairy who have great calcium levels, great bones, etc. My bone density went up greatly during my year after going gluten free when I was not eating dairy, but walking daily, taking a high quality bone guard supplement (much more than calcium), eating lots of leafy greens, nuts, and other calcium-rich foods, etc. <br /><br />http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/calcium-full-story/index.html<br /><br />http://bastyrcenter.org/content/view/167/&page=<br /><br />A couple of other calcium notes. A recent study showed that bone density issues in celiac are related to inflammation as much or more than the malabsorption issues. I had just read about these findings, but then Dr. Stephen Wangen brought them up when he spoke at a support group meeting I attended last week.<br /><br />The fact that we are not as fiber deficient probably has a lot to do with all those fiber "prescriptions" we've received over the years to solve our, uh, <i>other</i> issues. I, for one, was on Fibercom and the like for literally years. Fiber is prescribed for both extremes of GI issues caused by gluten intolerance. <br /><br />Of course, I love your last bit of info. Real food ... naturally gluten free! :-)<br /><br />Thanks, Pete!<br /><br />Shirleygfe--gluten free easilyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08182613995248482102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4706374459042869519.post-58214988089606145062009-11-07T14:11:12.957-07:002009-11-07T14:11:12.957-07:00Fantastic post! It was interesting to see the GF a...Fantastic post! It was interesting to see the GF and non GF diet deficiencies compared with each other. And you made some great points that processed gluten-free foods, are really not really any healthier than regular processed foods. Not only are they many times higher in calories, but also lack nutritional benefits. I think this is a great post for those who are gluten-free and those who are not. The more fresh veggies, meats, fruits..etc no matter what type of diet, the better.Elizabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12400973577261260121noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4706374459042869519.post-45943121602255589792009-11-05T09:42:51.759-07:002009-11-05T09:42:51.759-07:00Hi Erin... Glad you enjoyed the two-part series. T...Hi Erin... Glad you enjoyed the two-part series. Thanks for linking to it! Yes, so often it call comes back to the naturally gluten-free foods, and whole, fresh foods. It's a good rule of thumb to follow no matter what diet you're on - gluten, gluten-free, vegetarian, etc.<br /><br />Hi Cheryl... Thanks for your comment! Also glad you enjoyed the info and analysis. I love your suggestion to tackle soy. It's on my radar screen for sure. I'm hoping to be able to get to it in the next few weeks. Stay tuned! That's going to be a good one...so much info to sort through on both sides of the issue!<br /><br />Cheers, Petepeterbronskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17048848527195520324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4706374459042869519.post-87400996502322428222009-11-05T07:43:25.964-07:002009-11-05T07:43:25.964-07:00Pete,
Great posts; great analysis. If you'd ...Pete,<br /><br />Great posts; great analysis. If you'd like to turn your talent to a slightly different topic, soy may be the one. It's a gluten-free grain with a mixed reputation. I'd love for you to sort through it all.Cheryl Ruffinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15808011523753175563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4706374459042869519.post-28607312450237859992009-11-04T16:49:02.466-07:002009-11-04T16:49:02.466-07:00Peter,
Awesome posts. Thanks for covering this. ...Peter,<br />Awesome posts. Thanks for covering this. I will be linking back to this from my blog-and it once again reinforces that naturally gluten free foods are a great way to go!Erin E Lyon-GF Fitnesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17778305089776190819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4706374459042869519.post-3041325820932379342009-11-04T14:23:09.554-07:002009-11-04T14:23:09.554-07:00Hi Jen... Very glad you found the posts informativ...Hi Jen... Very glad you found the posts informative and helpful! When I start hearing about things like nutrient deficiency, it gets my attention since it's a potentially serious topic (and one where I can put my journalism skills to use). I couldn't help digging deeper to find substantive answers to important questions. Happily, the answers to those questions led me back to what I've said about diet for a long time, and one that is a fundamental theme in our cookbook - that eating fresh, whole foods, like fruits, veggies, meats, fish, whole grains...is the best way to go. It's certainly not earth shattering news, but it helps to be reminded every now and then. =)<br /><br />Cheers, Petepeterbronskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17048848527195520324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4706374459042869519.post-6304051931409895282009-11-04T13:11:42.838-07:002009-11-04T13:11:42.838-07:00Thanks for taking the time to research yesterday a...Thanks for taking the time to research yesterday and today's articles. I found them very helpful and informative- and it's nice to know that it is possible to get the nutrients we need while avoiding wheat. Thanks again!Jenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07077309108571920121noreply@blogger.com